The Francis Effect podcast: The Thomases; Curia reform; Ketanji Brown Jackson

NCR executive editor Heidi Schlumpf is part of the new season of "The Francis Effect" podcast, joining co-hosts Franciscan Fr. Daniel Horan (columnist for NCR) and David Dault, executive producer and host of "Things Not Seen: Conversations About Culture and Faith."

Heidi, David and Father Daniel discuss the recent reforms allowing more lay leadership, the allegations connecting Ginni Thomas to the Jan. 6 insurrection, and the confirmation hearings for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson

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